Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Good morning and thank you for standing by. Welcome to International Paper's Fourth Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, you will have an opportunity to ask one question.

As a reminder, due to time constraints, we ask that you limit it to one and one question only. Press one. To withdraw your question, press 1 again. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mandi Gilliland, Senior Director of Investor Relations.

Ma'am? The floor is yours.

Good morning and good afternoon, and thank you for joining International Paper's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. Our speakers this morning are Andrew K. Silvernail, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Lance T. Loeffler, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Tim Nichols, Executive Vice President and President of DS Smith.

There is important information at the beginning of our presentation, including certain legal disclaimers. For example, during the call, we will make forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. These and other factors that could cause or contribute to actual results differing materially from such forward-looking statements can be found in our press releases and reports filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. We will also present certain non-US GAAP financial information.

A reconciliation of those figures to US GAAP financial measures is available on our website. Our website also contains copies of the fourth quarter earnings press release and today's presentation slides. Beginning on Slide three, before we jump into the presentation, I want to provide clarity on what will be discussed on the call today. We will begin by walking through the separation announcement for the EMEA packaging business.

Then we will discuss our 2025 full-year and fourth quarter results followed by our outlook for Packaging Solutions North America and Packaging Solutions EMEA. We will close out the call with Q&A. So now let me turn the call over to Andrew K. Silvernail, who will start on slide four.

Thanks, Mandi. Good morning, good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining us to discuss the next steps in our transformation journey. Today, I'm excited to announce our plan to create two publicly traded scaled regional packaging solution leaders in North America and EMEA.

I recognize that this action is understandably a surprise to most of you. But during this call, I'll walk you through why this is the right step to accelerate value creation for both businesses. My objective today is to answer a few critical questions: What, why, and why now? We look forward to helping you understand how this swift decisive action is a continuation of our 8020 focused strategy and an accelerant toward our ambitions and supports our ultimate objective, which, as always, is to maximize long-term value for our shareholders.

But first, turning to Slide five. I want to anchor you in our core strategy and how we operationalize it through our 8020 performance system. While our portfolio is changing, the core strategic principles and the operating model are not. 8020 is the driver for our transformation. The lens we use to determine where to play and how to win, and it guides us on how we operate each day.

The four elements of 8020 are simplify, segment, resource, and grow, and they ensure that resources are focused on the highest value areas across geographies, customers, and products. The 8020 methodology is also how we drive sustainable value creation through our virtuous cycle as we build an advantaged cost position and a high relative supply position all delivered for a world-class customer experience. I'm now on slide six. The acquisition of DS Smith strengthened our regional footprint and positions both businesses in North America and EMEA to advance our virtuous cycle.

Through the application of 8020, we have made significant progress on building an enhanced cost position. Executing $710 million of cost-out actions through 2025 on a full run rate basis. Which includes synergy benefits, that'll be realized in 2026 and 2027. This was achieved through actions such as optimizing our footprint in North America, streamlining and reducing structural organizational layers in EMEA, and exiting lower margin segments. The combination also advanced our competitive positioning.

Our voice of the customer surveys show that we have achieved the highest customer satisfaction among direct competitors in North America and leading scores on customer experience relative to the other top players in EMEA. The improved positioning and bolstered operational capabilities will provide ongoing benefits for each independent region going forward. Moving to slide seven. So why separate and why now?

The combination of IP and DS Smith enabled important steps forward in terms of cost and relative supply positions, and enabled superior customer experience as demonstrated by a high and increasing in-region Net Promoter Scores. Since the combination, our teams have made tremendous progress rapidly integrating the businesses within each region implementing our 8020 roadmap. I'm proud of how our teams have embraced the challenge. And because of these efforts, it has become clear that each business is at a positive inflection point.

By acting now, we can more fully enable the full potential of each business. Taking this action will allow both businesses to accelerate progress toward maximizing long-term profitable growth through greater speed, agility, and differentiation as well as enhanced focus on their different regions and targeted investment approaches. Creating independent companies will further enable the businesses to win in distinctive competitive markets through focused leadership, tailored commercial strategies, independent balance sheets, and flexible capital allocation aligned to attractive, but different in-region opportunities.

The separation will also give each business the ability to customize their messaging for regional customers without diluting the message for a global audience which is a very small portion of the customer opportunity. I'm now on slide eight. Overall, we are playing in the two most attractive global profit pools, significant and increasing demand. After the combination of IP and DS Smith, the regional integration of the legacy positions of both businesses each of the regional businesses is better equipped to compete and win in their respective geographies.

However, there are key structural differences in the competitive and commercial landscapes that will require tailored commercial and capital allocation strategies going forward. North America is more integrated, and resilient in terms of supply positions and buyers, has a high degree of supply integration and steady demand growth. EMEA, has more localized dynamics at the country level and relatively higher demand growth. Customers in EMEA value different product and supplier traits as well with greater emphasis on sustainability.

Consequently, it's important that each business unit tailor its strategy to best meet the distinct customer expectations in their markets. Creating two separate businesses will enable each region to accelerate its path to long-term profitable growth. I'm now on slide nine. I want to address what is changing and what is not.

As we discussed, our 8020 methodology starts with simplify. Which we have been working toward over the past year deemphasizing or exiting select businesses, markets, and functions and then redirecting our resources to a sharper focus and higher value. The action we are discussing today is the next step in the 8020 performance system. Segmenting the business to further optimize resource allocation and enable long-term profitable growth.

While these actions separate the businesses from one entity into two discrete highly focused companies. Both businesses will continue to emphasize the powerful operating discipline of 8020 and our three strategic pillars. Our 8020 approach with a clear focus on cost optimization and operating efficiency strategy execution, customer centricity will remain core to both businesses. The independent scale businesses will benefit from true alignment to the characteristics of their distinct customers and regions.

Local leadership, and optimized capital allocation strategies without regional trade-offs. Most importantly, both companies will continue to be customer-driven organizations focused on delivering exceptional customer service with attention to detail around on-time delivery, quality, and engagement. Turning to slide 10. Let me provide an overview of what the post-separation International Paper will look like. IP will be the leading, scale sustainable packaging solutions provider in North America, relentlessly focused on customers with an advantaged cost position and leading innovation capabilities.

The business will be comprised of the current Packaging Solutions North America, including both legacy IP and DS Smith assets. As you can see from the pro forma results on the slide, the business that will become stand-alone IP had full-year '25 net sales of more than $15 billion approximately $2.3 billion of adjusted EBITDA that is poised to accelerate rapidly over the next twenty-four months. The sharper regional focus will enable IP to further accelerate value creation for our shareholders. We have already made significant progress executing our transformation strategy, and expect the benefits to flow through adjusted EBITDA over the coming year.

We'll provide more detail about that in the earnings portion of the presentation. Additionally, we expect that the acceleration of our transformation to result in expanded margins growing free cash flow, which will support disciplined investments in organic and inorganic growth opportunities. We have a robust plan in place to continue delivering our strategic ambitions, you can see on Slide 11. This is a continuation of our 8020 approach in our virtuous cycle. We will continue to assess our mill and plant footprint and transform day-to-day operations.

Deliver differentiated customer service, and develop and deploy local commercial strategies. These actions will enable strategic reinvestment in the business to accelerate organic growth drive productivity, support disciplined bolt-on acquisitions. This will all be supported by a strong investment-grade balance sheet and capital structure that supports an attractive dividend. Our ultimate goal will continue to be to provide customers with the best possible solutions and create value for our shareholders as a preeminent packaging company in North America.

I'll now turn the call over to Tim to talk about the post-separation EMEA packaging business.

Thanks, Andy. I'm on slide 12. I'm excited to talk to you about the post-separation EMEA packaging business. Which will continue to be a leading provider of innovative, sustainable packaging solutions across Europe. The new independent company will be defined by its strong customer relationships, high-performance operations, and best-in-class innovative solutions that help our customers meet their sustainability goals.

The business will be comprised of IP's current packaging solutions EMEA business including the combination of legacy DS Smith and IP assets. As you can see from the pro forma results on the slide, the business will become the standalone EMEA business at full-year 2025 net sales of approximately $8.5 billion and approximately $800 million of adjusted EBITDA. Over the past year, we have created and begun to implement an 8020 road map. Based on the proven 8020 performance system.

We are still at an early stage of the transfer to optimize our footprint structurally reduce cost, and extend our innovation leadership but we expect to begin seeing the benefits of these actions in 2026. The separation will enable us to accelerate this progress enhancing the new company's ability to make both organic and inorganic investments into our business to further improve our cost position and enhance customer experience and relative supply position. You can see the priorities for the post-separation EMEA packaging business on slide 13. A key area of focus is to continue using our 8020 approach to complete the integration of legacy acquisitions made by DS Smith prior to the combination with IP.

Transforming our footprint and aligning resources to drive value. We will remain laser-focused on our customer-centric mindset rigorously aligning our resources and investments with the needs of our key customers. As we execute our strategy and 8020 road map, we'll be focused on delivering organic growth and structural cost reductions. In order to expand margins and drive strong cash flow and returns.

We expect the post-separation EMEA packaging business to have a strong investment-grade balance sheet and a dividend policy that is supported by strong operational profit and high return organic and inorganic investments. Our goal is to meet our customers' needs with the best possible packaging and to create value for our shareholders by delivering operating performance at the top of our peer group. Our transformation will continue in 2026 and we believe that by the time the separation is complete, we will be making significant progress against our financial targets and toward more definitive market leadership in sustainable packaging solutions.

I'll now turn the call over to Lance. Who will go over the details of the transaction.

Thanks, Tim. Moving to slide 14, let me walk you through some of the specifics of the separation. First, we expect the transaction to be structured as a spin-off of the EMEA packaging business to shareholders. With International Paper retaining a meaningful ownership stake in the new company.

Second, whether the transaction will be tax-free to US shareholders will depend on the ultimate terms of the transaction. The percentage of ownership retained, and other factors. Third, we expect the separation to be completed within the next twelve to fifteen months. Subject to satisfaction of certain customary conditions and regulatory approvals.

With plans for the company to be listed on both the London and New York Stock Exchanges. As part of the management plan, Andy, Tom Hammack, and I will continue in our respective roles at International Paper. Following the separation, Tim will serve as the CEO of the publicly traded EMEA packaging business. As many of you know, Tim previously served as CFO of International Paper has been leading the EMEA packaging business during the past year.

Overseeing EMEA's 8020 implementation and strategic transformation. The International Paperboard has confidence that he is the right person to continue leading EMEA's transformation. Also, David Robby is expected to be appointed as chairman of the board. David has a wealth of experience having served on the former DS Smith board as senior independent director until joining the International Paperboard in 2025. In order to position the EMEA packaging business for success, following the separation, we plan to invest approximately $400 million in EMEA, throughout the course of 2026 to fund the ongoing transformation of the business and 8020 implementation.

As mentioned earlier, we intend to create strong investment-grade balance sheets for both businesses and we'll continue to provide updates and additional information on our progress as the details of the separation materialize. I'll now turn the call over to Andy to discuss our full-year results and fourth-quarter performance.

Shifting now to our full-year and quarterly earnings update on Page 15. In North America, we made significant progress on implementing our 8020 plan, executing our strategy this year, achieving approximately 37% year-over-year adjusted EBITDA growth in 2025. And we expect our volume growth to outpace the underlying market by three to four percentage points in the fourth quarter. Which is well ahead of where we thought we'd be earlier last year. Throughout the year, continue to advance our cost improvement strategy. Delivering approximately $510 million of run rate cost benefits.

The ongoing transformation resulted in approximately $110 million related to footprint optimization in 2025 and we expect to have similar amounts in 2026. We'll share more detail on these dynamics for North America in a moment. In EMEA, moving decisively on a transformation of the packaging business. We have actioned 20 site closures impacting approximately 1,400 roles with another seven sites and 700 roles in work council discussions. We have a clear road map for applying our commercial and structural cost levers and expect to see the benefits of our cost and commercial actions accelerate through 2026. Turning to our enterprise results for full-year 2025. Which reflect the steadfast commitment of the entire IP team to execute our transformation plan continue to deliver best-in-class customer experience, and create value for shareholders.

We continue to drive strong growth from integration and 8020 in the year significant transformation. We expanded adjusted EBITDA margin by two thirty basis points. Our adjusted EBIT and EPS were impacted by $958 million accelerated depreciation our footprint optimization and higher levels of depreciation and amortization related to the DS Smith acquisition. As anticipated, our investment in the transformation resulted in negative free cash flow of $159 million As a reminder, I would note that the enterprise earnings numbers have been restated to exclude GCF and we are pleased that we closed the transaction at the end of last week.

Now I'll turn it over to Lance to take you through the drivers of North America performance including what drove the year-over-year improvements and what to expect in 2026. Thanks, Andy. I'm on slide 17. I'd like to begin by reiterating the progress and momentum we've built in North America. in a challenging environment. Our teams delivered meaningful improvement across the business And the results reinforce our strategy is working. Notably, we have gained commercial momentum through focused service and reliability efforts increasing on-time delivery percentage to the upper nineties, which has allowed us to win the trust of both new and existing customers.

Also, our investments in our commercial team adding new sales reps and upskilling the existing team, has supported customer excellence across our national and local accounts. Evidenced by our above-market volume growth the 2025 as well as strong price realization. We continue to optimize our box footprint while rolling out our lighthouse model to shift decision-making and strategy closer to our customers. We've now installed this in 85% of our box plant system.

Our mill investments are paying off. And we're beginning to see reliability improvements as we've expanded our lighthouse learnings to all our mills this year. The combination of our 37% year-over-year EBITDA improvement and 340 basis point margin expansion gives us confidence in our road map and our ability to achieve results in North America. Moving to slide 18. As a reminder, we are using adjusted EBITDA for our bridges as a better comparative metric during the company's transformation.

Now let me walk you through the sequential variance for the fourth quarter. Volume was $87 million unfavorable largely in line with our expectations. Due to an almost $60 million impact as a result of exiting the nonstrategic export business. As well as the impact of three fewer shipping days in the quarter.

Which was partially offset by continued momentum in onboarding our strategic customer wins. Operations and costs were $3 million favorable. The cost-out benefit from the mill closures was offset by the timing of spending across the business. Including transitory costs as we optimize our network in line with our new footprint, as well as higher seasonal labor costs.

Maintenance and outages were $41 million unfavorable as we continue to invest in the reliability and quality of our mill system. And input costs were $24 million favorable for the quarter primarily due to minimizing the impact from the natural gas curtailment at our Valiant mill early in the quarter. Which has now been resolved. All of this leads to an adjusted EBITDA for North of $560 million for the 2025. Turning to Slide 19. And looking ahead to 2026, our EBITDA growth will be primarily driven by approximately $100 million of commercial benefits as well as $500 million of cost benefits.

Key drivers to this include strategic customer wins in the commercial front. As well as cost-out benefits across footprint optimization, productivity, supply chain, sourcing, and overhead. Those benefits will be offset by approximately $200 million of nonrecurring transformation costs related to our ongoing investments in reliability and capacity. Primarily driven by the Riverdale mill conversion in the 2026. These investments are critical to support our profitable growth ambitions and bolster our lightweight capabilities to meet customer demand.

This year, we also expect inflation to rise by approximately $200 million we continue to optimize our sourcing and procurement to minimize the impacts. The takeaway here is that we remain confident in our trajectory to deliver on our 2026 targets of 2.5 to $2.6 billion with the assumption that the industry growth is flat to up 1% and we outperform the industry by approximately 2%. Our 2026 target does not include the impact of any future pricing realization. As we do not forecast price until it publishes.

However, would expect to see an incremental adjusted EBITDA impact approximately $90 million for every $10 per ton price move on an annualized basis. Now moving to slide 20. We wanted to provide additional visibility into how we anticipate this year playing out with our planned transformation investments. There are a few factors driving the shape of 2026 that we wanted to be very clear about. In the first half of the year, we expect to see typical seasonality and one fewer shipping day.

However, the main driver of our anticipated year-over-year decline comes from our planned investments in reliability, capacity, and capabilities. This manifests itself in higher maintenance outages and costs related to our Riverdale mill conversion. Altogether, these represent approximately 165,000,000 of nonrecurring timing impacts that will unwind in the second half. Normalized for these one-time impacts, we remain on a strong growth trajectory with approximately ten percent first-half year-over-year EBITDA growth.

In the second half, we expect our performance to materially accelerate driven largely by non-repeating items from the first half and realizing the additional momentum from our 2025 transformation activities. To add some more color on the sequential jump, approximately $200 million will come from returning to a normalized outage schedule, approximately $80 million associated with Riverdale non-repeating items and margin benefits, and a $75 million benefit from second-half volume seasonality. The remaining $200 million in our plan will be achieved through commercial and operational productivity actions as a part of our 8020 transformation.

The main drivers here are from continued footprint optimization, mill and box productivity improvements from rolling out the lighthouse model, as well as supply chain efficiencies procurement initiatives, and the winding down of ongoing mill costs. on executing against this plan Our team remains laser-focused and we have high confidence in our ability to deliver. Moving to the first quarter Packaging Solutions North America outlook on Slide 21. Price and mix are expected to improve by $51 million primarily due to seasonal mix improvement following a heavy e-commerce fourth quarter as well as favorable mix related to our smaller but more strategic export customers.

We believe volume to be unfavorable by $68 million The sequential seasonal decrease as well as the exit of nonstrategic markets more than offset the increased volume from our strategic wins and one additional shipping day. All in, our first quarter 2026 outlook for North America is approximately $534 million of adjusted EBITDA. One more note before we move on. The first quarter outlook I just shared does not include any impact from the winter storm that moved across The United States Southeast this past week.

We are currently assessing the impact And at this point, we're estimating that the total impact could be in the range of 20 to $25 million for the first quarter. That wraps up our review of North America performance and outlook. And with that, let's move on to EMEA. Turning to packaging solutions EMEA.

Slide 22. We delivered a solid fourth quarter with sequential EBITDA growth of $19 million The improvement was primarily driven by favorable pricing on key inputs, including fiber, and natural gas, along with benefits for some of our early 8020 cost actions. From a demand standpoint, the market remains soft but broadly stable. With continued pressure on board pricing. Overall, while we are still in the early stage of our transformation in EMEA, we are starting to see the benefits of our strategy materialize and are very confident of the path ahead.

Now on slide 23 looking at a full year 2026, our adjusted EBITDA growth in EMEA will be driven by $200 million of commercial benefits. Primarily driven by above-industry growth with continued momentum of flow through already captured from 2025 growth with our strategic customers. In addition, we expect approximately $200 million of cost-out benefits. Primarily driven by footprint and headcount optimization.

As well as cost improvements across procurement, distribution, and our mill and box systems. We expect these benefits to be offset by approximately a $100 million of inflation impact. Overall, we continue to build momentum on our transformation, and we'll continue to act decisively to optimize our footprint and operations while strategically investing in reliability and quality to best serve our EMEA customer base. Moving to slide 24, I want to take a moment to share additional detail on recent actions we've taken to improve our cost position and focus resources on the most attractive markets.

In 2025, week action closures across 20 sites, reducing headcount by more than 1,400 positions. While we are engaged in ongoing consultation on our additional seven sites more than 700 roles. We expect this to deliver run rate cost savings of more than $160 million At the same time, it's important to recognize these actions affect people and their families. We do not make these decisions lightly, and I want to thank the employees across these facilities and offices for their professionalism, dedication, and contributions to the company.

Turning to slide 25. And our outlook for the first quarter. We expect EBITDA to be roughly in line with the fourth quarter. We anticipate price and volume tailwinds of approximately $33 million driven by favorable mix and continued benefits from our strategic wins in 2025. Ops and costs are higher by $42 million primarily driven by the timing of energy subsidies typically received in the second half of the year as well as costs related to accounting policy changes. We continue to build momentum with our strategic actions while managing through ongoing market volatility and focusing on those things that we can control as we execute our plan.

Now let me turn it back over to Andy, who will close it out with some key takeaways from today.

Thank you, Lance. Turning to slide 26 and our full-year 2026 targets. We are confident in our trajectory. Our plan for the coming year, and our ability to execute against our targets for 2026. We're projecting enterprise net sales of 24.1 to $24.9 billion with adjusted EBITDA of 3.5 to $3.7 billion and free cash flow of $300 million to $500 million As for the first quarter, including corporate, we're guiding to $740 million to $760 million of adjusted EBITDA.

Importantly, as Lance mentioned earlier, our guidance does not include the impact of price actions. The enhanced positioning and greater efficiency that we've realized through our strategic actions and 8020 implementation have us well-positioned for 2026. And we expect that we will begin to see that flow through in the coming year. We discussed today, we are taking swift and decisive action to create long-term value for our shareholders. The combination of IP and DS Smith created two regional powerhouses that are leading providers of sustainable packaging solutions with significant scale and strong customer relationships.

Our 8020 actions over the past year have reduced complexity in each region. And the next step to continue the transformation is to segment the businesses so they can realize their full potential. Separating the businesses will provide each with the ability to best align capital and resources to distinct regional opportunities. Market environments, and customer needs.

Each business will have the necessary ingredients, including strong investment-grade balance sheets, to execute its 8020 plan the virtuous strategic cycle in the most effective way possible. We believe this is the most certain path to deliver our 2027 target of $5 billion of EBITDA and enables each business to achieve best-in-class performance and best-in-class valuation as we create long-term value for our shareholders. At this time, let's open up the line to questions.

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, simply press 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press 1 again. Our first question is going to come from the line of George Staphos with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hi, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for the details. My question in your free cash flow guidance of $300 to $500 million, can you give us some of the other important assumptions that are in there I don't believe price is in there, but if you could confirm that, related is are you out with a price letter to customers And then more most importantly, terms of the question, if you wanna just take this $305,100,000,000 dollars doesn't cover your dividend, Andy, with the spin, might you consider reviewing a dividend policy over time?

Thank you.

Thanks, George, and good morning. First, yes, we are out with a price letter. We have done that earlier this week. And so that will play itself out in the normal course of business.

As you noted, no. There is no inclusion of price in the numbers that we have provided today into the guidance that we have provided to the incremental price to come through. And as Lance said in there, each $10 price that sticks is worth about $90 million of price realization into the market. So that I think that covers that question there.

Yep. George, the second part of your question?

Just the dividend. The dividend, a billion, and the free cash flow, $305,100.

Might the spin be an opportunity to review the policy? And how do you feel about it? Thank you.

Yeah. Sure. So, you know, we've said all along that covering the dividend was about 3.6 to $3.7 billion of EBITDA is the breakeven. Obviously, in 2026, we have substantial restructuring costs that are going in and some one-time costs that don't fit into the restructuring line.

So you've got a combination of those things. We are maintaining our dividend policy as it is through 2026. And, of course, you know, through any process like this, you're gonna review that work in conjunction with shareholders to, you know, make sure we get to the right place on a dividend post spin. And we'll evaluate that throughout the year in conversation with shareholders.

Thank you so much.

And our next question is going to come from the line of Mark Weintraub with Seaport Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Thank you. I have a couple of real straight good good morning. A few really straightforward quest one is so some of the slides it's says, like, at the segment level, it's doesn't exclude that it excluding corporate. And then on the final slide, it it doesn't sort of say anything about that.

So just one clarification. How should we be thinking about corporate relative to the the various numbers you're putting out there, the 3.5, 3,700,000,000.0. Is that included in talk?

Yeah. So the guide that Andy gave on a total company basis, seven forty to seven sixty includes the impact of corporate. If you take what we gave you on the region slides, and the difference between that should cover the corporate line item.

Yep. Same thing for the for the year, Mark.

Okay. And it with the spin, is there any meaningful change to what you expect corporate costs would go to?

Well, they would go to their independent regions but in terms of it being an overall increase, no. They would not be.

Okay. Very good. And then second, any specific reason why and and maybe this is normal course of both normal course, but why twelve to fifteen months to complete this process? Seems like a long time. To me, but maybe I'm just wrong.

Yeah. I'd I'll touch on that. You know, there's the you got the mechanics, frankly, of accounting. Right?

There's just it's a it's a heavy lift from an accounting perspective. What we don't have here is is kind of, you know, large legal entity issues or things like that. And, obviously, we're gonna move to do it as quickly as possible, Mark. But the best guidance that we've been given and and the precedence are usually somewhere in that twelve to fifteen month time frame.

Lance, anything you'd to that?

Yeah. No. I would say I would echo Andy's comments. I think, you know, this is this is a little different than if you look back at the Silvamo exercise we went through several years ago that had a lot more operational tethering that we had to to unwind, to get that to where it needed to be.

This is this is largely an accounting exercise that we're gonna start off you know, today in in in real haste to to try to get this thing done. By the end of the year. But right now, we're contemplating twelve to fifteen months.

And and one last one, hopefully not an unfair one, but so you've you've got this big step up in the second half of next year, particularly in in North America, and and you you lay it out very clearly. It does include that, you know, a a big cost takeout acceleration, that 200,000,000. And if we look back you had a great first quarter. Relative to expectations, etcetera. And then then the last three quarters, though, you you've fallen shy.

Yep. On ops and costs. And so may maybe talk a little bit about why you have a lot of confidence that, you know, you get back on track and you can deliver a really big number 2026.

Yeah. A few things in there, Mark. So first and foremost, that the vast majority of what we're talking about are things that have been actioned. And the tail here are the cost of finalizing that.

So as an example, closures and the lingering cost of finalizing those closures, those those tails start to fall off as we get through this year. That's a big one. Second, we've got more actions. They're not the large scale actions that we've seen so far.

But we're starting to get much more into the nitty gritty around things like supply chain and procurement Distribution. Rolling out the lighthouse models throughout the mill system. And the productivity investments that we're ramping up going into that. And so a lot of intensity that happened last year and certainly throughout this year.

Gonna continue to drive those. So those benefits start to accumulate more and more as time goes on. You know, through there. So you know, the key to it is it's literally the costs have gotta be counted you know, down to the penny in terms of facilities, impacted people, which is always unfortunate.

But a tough reality and a transformation And that's the level of granularity we're operating at. And that's both in North America And you saw for the first time today that we were able to now that we've gotten past a bunch of the consultation periods, to lay out the granularity in Europe. And you could see the magnitude of what we're doing in Europe. That we will accelerate throughout the year.

So this is extremely granular. You know, look, I'm also realistic. There's a lot of moving parts. There's no doubt about it, but we are executing quite well.

Thanks so much.

Thank you, Mark.

Your next question comes from the line of Charlie Muir Sands with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Thanks very much, guys. Good morning.

Hey, Charlie.

Hey. Just firstly, if I could just ask on volumes. You're late to your break, you don't share second half of the year in North America. Seems likely a bit around the industry data yet.

You just talk about the relative possibility you're seeing on those new ways versus the old the business you lost. And also, I think you could suggest you do something similar in the EMEA. I wonder if you could share any kind of like for like course of pro forma volume performance you've achieved in that region? Thanks.

Charlie, I apologize. You're you were pretty muffled on that call, so I'm gonna do my best where I think I heard the question which is really around the the the volume wins and the quality of profitability. Around those volume wins, if I understand it right.

Yes.

Correct. They're they're very good. As you recall, back a couple of years ago, we really started to to reset our discipline around assuring that we were pricing to market and we've obviously kept that discipline. And if you look at the volume wins we've had in North America, they have been absolutely at those quality levels that we've been talking about.

And so I feel really good about the business that we're winning and coming on. You know, again, we won substantial market share here in North America in the back half of the year. You know, we were we were three or four points above market. We'll find out where the market actually settled, you know, later on here, but we feel very confident given the the other results that we've seen that we have one quality market share.

And you can see the expanding margins at the same time. In Europe, right, the market has been softer in Europe. And just like in The US, you have to play where the market is. We have been really disciplined about making sure that we are bringing value to the market, and we're not chasing bad business.

That's very important in a softer market, and we have not been doing that. And, again, you can count it by meters or you can count it by tons. We can see where those winds have have come in and then how they'll be layered into into the year. So we feel good about the wins that we have.

We feel good about the commercial momentum in both regions. Particularly in North America where we won substantial market share. And our work is to keep that momentum continuing.

Your next question comes from the line of Philip Ng with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. Thanks for all the great Bye bye. Thanks for all the great call. A lot to unpack.

I guess, kinda kick things off, the 2026 guidance, Lance, last quarter, you guys gave us a nice slide deck calling out 600,000,000 upsell pulp and commercial efforts. Certainly, there's feels like there's some movement, but, you know, the guide itself, does it account for any incremental cost actions that has yet to be announced? So or is that kinda accounted for? Second, I think on the commercial front, certainly better in North America and Europe, and I correct me if I'm wrong, Lance.

The North America piece accounts for the exports. Kinda commingled it. So where are you seeing some some of the wins on the commercial side, whether it's North America, and Europe? I mean, Europe, I'm particularly curious just given I thought the commercial side of things were quite good, but it was more on the cost out.

So help us kinda tease through, some of those, dynamics.

Yeah. So I'll start with the I'll start with the cost out. Side. Yeah.

So what we described, I think, infamously was, like, slide 15 on the on the deck on the third quarter call where we talk about a lot of the the momentum that we had in carrying over things that had already been announced in 2025 and what that impact would be. I think that the $500,000,000 you were characterizing. We are gonna continue to optimize in North America around our 8020 transformation. So it's a incremental $200,000,000 of of cost benefit that should be accruing to us as we continue to to execute that plan as we look to to '20 in the '26 and in the 2027. On the commercial side, we're really pleased with the amount of progress that we've made about know, we're we're ahead of schedule, I think, as Annie mentioned, in terms of North America and our exit this year in the fourth quarter, And we thought we'd be at market.

We're clearly ahead of that. And we're excited about onboarding some very important customers that allow us to to achieve those to achieve those metrics. And, we're excited about the wins that we've got in Europe. You know, we expect to outperform You know, we believe the market next year will be up 1.7% I believe, next year.

And or excuse me, in 2026. And we believe we'll outperform by about 50 basis points ahead of that. So we're excited about the momentum that we've got in that market as well.

Got it. So just so if I heard you correctly, Lance, the upside on cost out, the 200,000,000, that's incremental cost actions you haven't taken in the in the '26 that you still need to execute,

Yeah. We'll be we'll be executing Yeah. So, Phil, those will be those are that that amount and those actions are stuff that was not announced or actioned in 2025 that we will continue in terms of our momentum into 2026.

Okay. And and the other piece I wanna tease out, perhaps for you, Andy, Mark kinda teased it out already. Last year, a nice beat in the first first quarter in the Q2 to Q4 was a little uneven. Just wanna get give us some comfort that the framework you've laid out accounts for any hiccups along the way just because it's it's a choppy environment.

So, like, how you kinda laid out the framework where is this conservative, or are you baking, like, a lot of stuff kinda has to kinda stick to landing just because you got a lot of moving pieces.

Yeah. I I think the range that we've given provides a pretty decent margin in there in terms of the $740,000,000 to $760,000,000 in the quarter. And the $3.05 to $3.07 in the year. You know, in terms of kind of I'll just call them, you know, good guys, bad guys, you know, how do you think about that over the year?

You know, on the on the the good guy side, the year has started strong. And I will certainly say that January was strong. Obviously, the ice storm, that's gonna be on the bad guys. Side to see kind of what that impact is gonna be.

You know, it's a super thumb thumbnail sketch of 20 to 25,000,000. It's just hard to know. Right? You you could you could make that up. But, certainly, you know, mill shutdowns certainly some of the areas that were hit hard in terms of box the bauxite will come back, you know, fast.

But you got some mill impact. That we'll we'll see how that plays out. Because that's a pretty modest bad guy. That's out there.

Again, you know, the the January has has started strong. We've seen that in our daily numbers. We'd expect that to even off throughout the year. And, again, we said we thought the North America market would be flat to up one.

We'll take a couple of points of market share in there. In terms of other good guys, right, we have we don't have anything in here for price. You know, and and we don't normally do that. We don't normally guide that.

And and so we've kept to that practice. But depending upon what happens with pricing, that's a pretty substantial, good guide that's not in any of our numbers here. Know, the the real, you know, big bad guy is is potentially out there. We don't know with what we face last year was was the global economy.

And, you know, again, right now, things have started well. But, you know, that's hard to predict throughout there. So I feel good about where we are. I think that they're given the pricing, there's more upside than downside.

You know, in terms of opportunity. And so we feel like we played it down the middle.

Okay. Appreciate the color, Andy. Thank you so much.

You bet. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Roxland with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Thank you, Andy, Lance, Mandi, and team. For taking my questions. Some calls in North America appear to be more sticky like, like, no reliability, etcetera.

I mean, your volume's up for 2% in 4Q, better than you expected, yet EBITDA missed. Wondering if you can speak to cost in North America, which ones are more problematic, stickier, how you intend to tackle them, and was the cost structure in North America part of calculus in terms of deciding to spin out Europe? And what I'm what I'm trying to get is if you have to deal with the cost structure a little bit more challenging than you expected, it's it's harder to tackle that plus having a European arm as well. So, any any call you could provide would be helpful.

Thank you.

Yeah. So on the cost side, look. I'm really happy with what we've done. We've taken out over $700 million in total cost when you look at the execution on that.

So I'm very happy with the progress that we've made. On that. The things that are harder to get at that, there's really two. Right?

One is the speed at which you take things down and all of those costs go away. Right? So as you close a mill, there tend to be lingering costs during the shutdown and ultimately into the final closure and then potentially the sale or disposal of of the property. Those tend to linger a little bit.

And then on the reliability front, it's as we have described, which is you've gotta get in there, and you've gotta make the investments consistently over a period of time to drive the reliability and not have things pop up that can be very expensive in any given period. I mean, you know, a singular mill struggling can be a $100 million hit in a year easily. If a mill is really struggling. And so we are putting aggressively investing back into our mill system in North America.

And that's if you look at the expanded CapEx, if you look at the onetime accelerated transformation costs, even the lighthouse roll Those are all things that we are doing, to drive that reliability. Absolutely showing up for the customers. They're feeling that positive reliability, and it's showing up in their customer satisfaction numbers. It's showing up in our cost numbers.

But it is. That's a slug fest. And you gotta stick with it. And the team is doing an excellent job.

On the European side, you know, look. You know, what Tim and team are doing in Europe is pretty exceptional. They are tackling structural costs in a way that's very unusual in the European marketplace. And you can see from the magnitude of what was on that one slide that we're getting after it.

And so we're getting after it fast, and we'll continue to do that throughout 2026.

Got it. Just one quick follow-up. I mean, so it sounds like you know, with respect to Europe, the costs are the harder to get at and taking a little bit longer. So was that part of what was factored into your what was that what you consider in terms of the spin? Was that a huge factor in terms of your consideration for spinning Europe? Because then when I get back to your investment

No. Not at all. The real driver for this decision is the fact that the value is really in the regions. When you get right down to it, and you look at where value is created, the acquisition and the combination, what it did was it created two regional powerhouses.

That really have very, very, very little overlap. I'm talking almost zero overlap in terms of how those businesses are structured in the market, how those businesses go to market, with customers, and how you execute all the way from inputs, fibers, all the way through the market They're really distinctive markets. And so, you know, using 8020 as the lens and as the mindset wanna simplify. Right?

You wanna take the complexity out. You wanna focus on where the value is in the discrete markets. And then you wanna get capital and people aligned and focused to those best opportunities. And that's really the driver there.

The exciting opportunity in Europe is even with the headwinds that the business had. All of last year, with a combination of the war in Ukraine and trade tensions and the softness in the market, is the business performed well relative to the marketplace and is getting after the changes in a way that's really distinctive to that marketplace. And this business coming out as a stand-alone business is gonna have a great balance sheet, It's gonna have great positioning in the market, you know, top of its class in terms of customer satisfaction, and the ability to direct and align people and capital to that unique mission.

And that's really what this is all about. So I'm super excited for what team and the Tim and the team have lined up. And as an independent company, I believe it's gonna thrive Having that focus and that that aligned capital allocation. And the same thing in The US.

And this really allows us for each to realize its unique mission and really drive incredible value.

Got it. Thank you very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Anojja with UBS. Please go ahead.

Good morning. How are doing?

Morning.

I just wanted a quick clarification. So, clearly, the price increase is not built into commercial initiatives in North America. I get that. Read you loud and clear.

But in EMEA, the commercial initiative bucket is now 200,000,000 in contribution I think in Q3, it was a 100,000,000. So what happened there? And can you confirm that if price goes down in Europe, that whether that's already in that bucket or not?

Yeah. So specific to yes, you're correct on North America First. There is nothing in there in terms of price. In EMEA, same thing.

It's only things that have been executed and we have line of sight too. So you have the underlying assumption of market growth. In there, which, as Lance said, was was 1.7%. And then you got a half a point, which are wins that we know that we have today.

And so we do not have incremental price that has not been that has not settled into the market built into there. So there's no price. Now that being said, as I mentioned in my remarks, just as there's a $70 price increase in North America that's been put out the marketplace by us to our customers. In Europe, there have been a lot of activity, and there's about a €100 paper price increase that's gone out in most markets.

And what we don't know is whether, you know, kind of what's gonna stick. It's a more dynamic market. In The US, on an annualized basis, if you got every penny of that, a little over $600,000,000, about $630,000,000. And in Europe, you got every penny of that, it would be about 300,000,000. Incrementally from what we're talking about today. But in neither case, do we have those built into the numbers?

Perfect. That's very helpful. I'll turn it over. Thank you.

You bet. Your next question comes from the line of Detlef Winklemann with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Morning, guys. Just if I can ask two. Maybe the first one, regarding your commercial improvements year on year that you've guided for now, it looks like about $100,000,000 in North America. If I go back to third quarter, it was sitting at about 300. Based on your bridge that you gave. Just wondering if anything has changed and why the delta

Yeah. I don't know. I have to go back and look. I nothing rings a bell.

I mean, I think nothing has really changed other than the the relationship that we've described. I think that extra 100,000,000 is incremental. To where we were in the third quarter. But, you know, we do have some commercial trade offs that we've talked a lot about in North America about leaving the export business and the closure around Savannah.

Yeah. That that might be part of what you're looking at there. Is is that that that 100,000,000 if we're talking about North America, right, that is netted against the trade offs with the export business that we have exited.

Do we have to get you that list? I wanna make sure we have Yeah. Yeah. I think so.

It was kind of a net zero right in the beginning now to net a 100,000,000 if I if I we'll correct you understand. And if I can ask one more follow-up. I mean, right in the beginning on your Investor Day, you were very helpful in giving an EMEA and a North America split all the way to 2027. Now I know, you know, partway through the year, you said demand is a bit worse, pricing came down a bit from your initial expectations. So I think you were talking about maybe Europe coming down a bit from that initial guide of, call it, dollars 1,800,000,000.0 to 2,000,000,000 I'm wondering given the context of your $5,000,000,000 guide now, what Europe plays a part of in that if you can share.

Any color would be great. Yeah. We haven't broken out specifically, but generally, you're talking about kinda three five in North America.

And one five in in Europe.

Okay. Perfect. Very much.

Our last question today is going to come from the line of Matthew McKellar with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just following up on questions from Charlie and Phil, apologies if I missed it. But is the 2% outperformance versus the North American industry or expect in 2026 based solely on those customer wins you've seen so far, mostly in the back half of 2025?

Or have you assumed further wins and share gains as the year progresses as part of that outperformance assumption And I guess with that, could there be upside to that number as the year progresses given improved service quality and customer experience metrics you've highlighted? Thanks.

Yes. So those are that's a great question. Those are based on what we have line of sight to today, so business that we have won. So we don't need major incremental wins, in, in this year to move the needle.

And to be fair, the what will move a needle in a short period are gonna be local wins. Right? The national business tends to be more on a contract cycle And and so know, we know what we won in 2025. It's now showing up at 2026. That's what we're communicating here. And then you'll have the local piece of business, which is much more day to day, much less contractual in there.

So if we were to win incremental business, you know, throughout the year, obviously, that would be an upside.

Thanks very much. I'll turn it back.

Great. Thanks.

You. I'll now turn the call over to Andrew K. Silvernail for closing comments.

Well, thank you very much. I appreciate everybody joining us today. This is an important and a very exciting day for International Paper. The decision to split into two public companies, to build two powerhouses that we have put together from the legacy pieces of international paper and the legacy pieces of DS Smith.

Now have two regions that are that are number one in their regions have an exciting strategy in terms of cost position, how we're working with customers, how we're building our relative share position, and ultimately, the financial upside that we see here. All of the hard work that's been put in the focus on 8020, making really tough choices around assets and reinvesting back into the business aggressively, to drive the customer service experience that we're seeing today winning share, aggressively taking cost at cost out, and maximizing return on invested capital. When I look at that, I see two businesses that will stand on their own with great balance sheets, with the ability to invest in their future, with the ability to make dynamic capital allocation decisions to maximize maximize value for shareholders.

I'm very excited about that future, and I applaud the team for all the incredible work that they've done. I thank our shareholders for for your interest in the business and what this can become. I'm incredibly excited about the future. Again, the year has started strong.

We've seen a nice pickup in business here. And, and we're excited for the year to come and, in the years to come. So thank you very much. Take care.

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